He is also as true a gentleman as his
wife, Sigrid, is gracious. They welcomed me and a Globe and Mail photographer, Deddeda, to
their suite at the Inn at Laurel Point at approximately 4 p.m. on a cool, drizzly, grey Saturday, November
13. The dull weather could not dampen my spirits; and the Walcotts later ordered up red wine, which
also had a fortifying effect. Dr. Walcott—“Derek,” he insisted—and I spoke
for a half-hour. My questions were rambling; his answers were both precise and, yes, poetic.
The greyness outside did have one unquestionable effect: it deepened the deliberate grey cover of
his latest—and great—book of poetry, White Egrets (FSG, $28).
We discussed the symbolism of those
birds, and I wondered whether there was any connection to Baudelaire’s
“L’Albatros” (1857). Walcott replied, “I think that the poem principally
does talk about achieving grace. But … before that grace is achieved, there’s a lot of
lumbering around.... Before the poem can soar, it needs to stagger and try to find its
balance…. So it’s moving from the ugly into the graceful that’s what he
[Baudelaire] says happens in poems….”
Something similar is at work in
White Egrets: Walcott has taken the accumulated awkwardness that results from the
collective mistakes, miscues, misunderstandings, and faux pas of his life—our
lives—and forged a voice that is grace, the achievement of regret, remembering, and, yes, mercy
too. So, for Walcott, who’s now 80, the egrets represent “resignation,” but also
“good-heartedness.” His poems shadow the sonnet, but soar beyond the traditional form,
if with a casual plainness that is no less majestic and elegant for being plain.
I asked Walcott about the formidable
grey—of shadow, fog, oblivion—that his book’s dust jacket projects. He
explained: “I do my own watercolour jackets…. But I haven’t done this one,
and I didn’t want to do it because I paint realistically in my watercolours. And I
didn’t want to do a watercolour with birds, you know, soaring: they look like tourist
advertisements, and they’re very elegant. So I thought I’d let the printer do it; I
think they’ve done a good job, with the colour that they’ve chosen. And it’s not a
blatant blue; it’s a delicate…, nice balance of grey.”
The discussion of colour got me thinking
about ‘race’—and the ways in which ‘black’ poets get racialized.
We’re usually perceived to be about kinetics—performance—and, seldom, aesthetics.
Walcott’s response was diplomatic; he rejected the clichéd pairing of writers and
“jazz.” But he also engaged the question of his own aesthetic, suggesting that one
should employ meter, but to foster “casualness.” He gave this example: “To
say, ‘Virgin Mary, Mother of Thy Son,’ I mean, that is so compact…. I think
that’s what you aim at because you’re trying to combine the colloquial—that is your past
life, the experience is in the colloquial—what happened to you, I mean, the
narration….”
For me, there is powerful wisdom in
that comment, perhaps especially for poets of marginalized communities: We should invest the formal
elements of English poetry with a diction that is, in fact, vernacular because it is autobiographical.
Walcott’s musings on the difficulty of establishing a conversational “pitch” in formal
poetry bid me ask him about the greatness of the plain—as in late Yeats and in impounded
Pound. He held that “Pound is a great poet in the way that poets know he’s great, not in
the way that academics may praise him….”
The greatness of Pound and Yeats (and
W.C. Williams) resides, Walcott elucidated, in their inalienable honesty: “I think
that’s the only thing you can go by. And I think the example of that has been
Pound…. Yeats—in a different way, Yeats in a more arrogant way, than
Pound.” I asked him to explain his reservations regarding Yeats, and he smiled and argued that
Yeats wants to “command” the listener…. He’s not a poet to try before one
has had one’s coffee, Walcott quipped.
I asked the Bard of the Caribbean about
his sense of his own achievement—the excellent verse-plays, Omeros (1990), the sole
successful epic in English in the last century—and what he might like next to do. He was
humble, but also daunting, in terms of the standard that he set for himself: “I think you have
an approach to, whatever fame you may have, or whatever achievement you may have, that is not complete in
you, at your age, because you realize you have not done what you thought you might have done, which is
kind of hard to take….
“But also you still have the
desire to do it; you still have the ambition—an ambition that satisfies your being in the company of
great poets, of saying I can move from reading one of my poems to reading one of their poems, without any
false modesty or any false conceit.”
But the strength of his self-daring is
rooted in his culture: “I’m lucky to come from a culture that dramatizes itself
continually, that sings about itself. So, that becomes a natural…. It’s like what Yeats
wanted to happen in the Irish Republic, and it has happened in the Caribbean….
“We live at simultaneous
levels. In other words, we live on a level of both song and theatre. In other words,
there’s always a song about something that happened—in the calypso, or even in reggae:
Some event happened; and it’s celebrated with a rhythm that is lyrical—although the theme is
dramatic or tragic; so that you have the tragic turn into the lyrical, regardless. That’s a
great thing to have happen in the culture.”
The turn in our conversation toward the
Caribbean had me asking Walcott about his past likening of that American archipelago to the Mediterranean
archipelago of Greece. I also wondered about all his canon of poems of travel, including those in
White Egrets. In reply, Walcott made clear his love for St. Lucia, his native land, but
also Italia and Spain: “The Nobel Prize means that you get invited to a lot of places you
might never have visited, if you didn’t have the prize. And some places where people keep
re-inviting you, like Medellin, in Colombia, for instance. I think it’s partly the fact of the
Nobel, which is, you know, a great thing to have, I mean, as [leading to] an invitation…. Or
even teaching for periods of time, brief periods, in different places.
“I don’t really have a
traveller’s instinct. I don’t really want to get up and go anywhere. I’m
very happy to be in St. Lucia. Basically, if I were there, I’d be great; I’d be
fine. But you get invited…. When you go to places and you meet other people, other
writers…, you’re just in a culture you know nothing about….
“I swore to myself when I was
younger, ‘I’m not going to write any poems about Italy. Italy is out. Too many
Italian poems.’ I go to Italy, and I’m knocked out. I can’t help but write
about it. I think there’s something sympathetic between the Caribbean temperament and the
Italian temperament, for instance. There are a lot of places that look like each other. Same
thing for Spain, I think. But I’m lucky in that respect. I’m going to Italy often;
I love it. The same for Spain, actually.”
We arrived at the end of the interview:
Time to uncork the wine! As we relaxed a little (not too much because Walcott had to prepare for a
reading later), I had cause to reflect on one of the many poignant sentences that Walcott offered.
It’s an idea that likely haunts all poets: “The mystery remains… Poetry remains a
mystery, even at old age.”

George Elliott Clarke is arguably one of Canada’s most accomplished poets. He has several groundbreaking verse and dramatic poetry collections. He was recently inducted into the Order of Canada.
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It is with deep sadness that we announce the passing of Stephen Potts, one of our reviewers.
April 8 to 20, 2011
The Toronto International Film Festival is celebrating the work of Gregg Araki at TIFF Bell Lightbox.
September, 2010
Pius Adesanmi, who is on the Editorial Board of MTLS, wins the inaugural Penguin Prize for African
Writing in the Non-Fiction Category.